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    September 14, 2012
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♪ ♪ that's president obama now heading back from andrews air force base where he and secretary of state hillary clinton just attended the somber transfer of remains ceremony for u.s. ambassador chris stevens and the three other americans killed this week in libya. ♪
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>> we welcome home for the final time, ambassador chris stevens, mr. sean smith, mr. glen doherty and mr. tyrone woods. >> to the families of our fallen colleagues, i offer our most heartfelt condolences and deepest gratitude. >> they didn't simply embrace the american ideal, they lived it. they embodied it. the courage. the hope. and yes, the idealism. that fundamental american belief that we can leave this world a little better than before. that's who they were. and that's who we are. >> four men are now under arrest for tuesday's deadly attack on the u.s. consulate. we'll get to what's happening in the middle east in a minute. first let's bring in former
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ambassador mark ginsberg who knew ambassador stevens we know the intelligence community is very small, so we're sorry for your life. >> thank you. the fact of the matter is the foreign service and all of us who have served in the past in the diplomatic service and who knew chris from the time -- he was teaching english in morocco in the peace corp. when i was ambassador. he and i had been in contact because the national geographic society was signing a new agreement to do scientific exchange programs with the libyan government. he was really excited about that. and we had exchanged emails about how to begin facilitating the training of young libyans for the scientific exchange programs. he was someone who was everything that all of us ever hoped or aspired to be. either to work in the foreign service or be affiliated with one of the greatest groups of individuals that served this country abroad. >> ambassador, stay with us. we want to talk about that a
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little bit more. nbc chief white house correspondent chuck todd is in washington with us. chuck, a somber ceremony there. >> it was. we have to remember how tough this has been on the state department, ambassador ginsberg can speak better to this. the first time an ambassador has been killed on duty in over 30 years. especially now when you think about the political problems that now the state department and the white house are going to have to deal with domestically when it comes to finding money and keeping money flowing to places like libya and the fledgling democracy or a place like egypt where you heard some emphatic pleas. i felt that's what you heard out of the president today. he was trying to make the case despite the pictures what you're seeing on your television screens this is not the time to withdraw from this yaifr as it goes into transition. clearly they're anticipating what is going to be. we've heard the rhetoric on capitol hill. it's bipartisan. really only the guys like john mccain, john kerry are you
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hearing trying to fight this sort of political tendency. it will be very popular to want to pull money from a place like egypt and you see now the case being made. the ground work trying to be made by this president to say don't do it. >> thanks, chuck. meantime today protests have spread to more than 17 countries across the middle east, northern africa and asia. of prayer. most of these protesters are off from work and been in the streets since the prayers ended. the muslim brotherhood in egypt called off the million man protest. a little too late. egyptian president morsi asked all concrete barriers to be returned outside the u.s. embassy. in lebanon protesters tonked a kfc. one protesters is dead there. mobs climbed embassy walls in tunisia. riot police were not able to hold them back. 50 u.s. marines are being sent to yemen to secure the u.s.
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embassy there. it's not just american embassies in danger in sudan mobs broke into the general embassy as well as our own where there are reports of gunshots inside the american complex. jim maceda is on the ground in cairo. ambassador ginsberg remains with us in new york. jim, cairo has seen some of the largest protests of the day. what's the mood? what's going on there? >> reporter: well, it's interesting. it almost feels like two different protests going on. on the one hand, you've got the stand off which is in its fourth day between younger people, more hard core radicals who are only 200 or 300. and they are still in that cat and mouse stand off with riot police. we saw more tear gas today. we saw water cannons as well. and we also saw a big concrete wall go up between the protesters and the u.s. embassy. that's all happening inside a basketball.
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then you probably hear behind me a large -- not a large crowd, probably 300 or 400 right now. they were much larger earlier today. these are the muslim brotherhood sanctioned supporters kwho came out as the religiously involved in this and protesting on religious grounds that film. they've been marching around the square all day in groups of about 300 or 400. but they have been absolutely peaceful. earlier today president morsi appeared on tv and perhaps getting the message from president obama he made it very clear that if there were demonstrations today they needed to be peaceful. they needed to protect foreigners and property. that's just what happened. of course, this is cairo also in libya it was very quiet, too, ironically. but as you suggested in your lead, in the rest of the muslim world, there was violence at least five people died.
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there were at least 20 countries that were part of that swath of protests today. usually between protesters against the film and riot police and even army soldiers come out in some circumstances. >> jim maceda, stay safe with there. here with us is former u.s. ambassador ginsberg. ambassador, is this a letting off of steam do you think that will subside or do you think we're building up to something far greater? >> it's hard to tell. i just came back from the region. there's a lot of cross currents that are going on. resentment over the failure of the united states to act more forcefully in syria. the contest, the intramural contest between elements of the muslim brotherhood in egypt and the more radical elements of the islamic extremists who are trying to hijack the revolution
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away from the moderate muslim brotherhood, which is part of the problem. there is this residual belief that there are americans still at war with islam and those who want to burn the koran. there's still this gulf of misunderstanding between what arabs actually believe the united states feels about the role of islam in the middle east and what actually is taking place. there are so many cross currents it's almost impossible to put your finger on one or two things. the bottom line however, is that america's standing in the region has deteriorated for a variety of reasons that would take a book to quantify at this point. >> marc, there's been a huge change in tone on the part of the egyptian government i would say since president obama's call to president morsi the other day. morsi comes down and calls the protesters absolutely unacceptable. we have jim maceda talking about
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the concrete steps they've been talking to keep things from turning violent today. i wonder what your sense of this change in tone is? is this long lasting, deep or superficial and for a couple of days to save face for the united states? >> we should have no illusion that the change of government from mubarak to morsi constitutes a radical change in foreign policy approach by the egyptian government. it's going to have reverberations for the united states throughout the region. the bottom line is that morsi needs united states and multilateral financial help. that's the best leverage that we have against him and the worst inclinations to ride the crest of this islamic awakening, let alone the arab awakening in the region. they cannot have it both ways. mr. morsi is basically a new president who needs to be i'm going to say this diplomatically, he needs to be educated about his responsibilities not only about as president to his own people,
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but also as president to a country that has a reliance on the international community for tourism, for financial support and for its own standing. that's going to be a harder education for him to grapple with. but it's an education that he needs. and the president of the united states needs to be in effect part of that university that mr. morsi needs to attend. >> ambassador, switching from egypt to libya, i think a lot of americas they didn't know ambassador stevens personally as you do, took the loss of him and the other three individuals very personally. both because any time question lose some of our own we feel that way. obviously because we had just intervened and risked american lives and a lot of treasure in order to liberate libya. i think people felt very hopeful about a democratic libya an ally of the united states. should we still be hopeful about the future of libya? >> yes, absolutely. let me make it very clear. i was a political pointee ambassador.
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my colleagues who i worked with in the foreign service are really the ones who are grieving. chris was a person who had served in so many different posts throughout the middle east. and they are the ones who really where the country should turn their attention and respect and honor as well because of their sacrifices. let me just add, the people who committed this atrocity in libya are part of the extremist under current that resides in libya. the government is trying to gain control of the country. it is a prowestern, pro-american government. there's no doubt that the people of libya, the vast majority of the people of libya are grateful to the role the united states played. this was a situation where elements perhaps of al qaeda, the other organization part of the libyan fighting group that has ties to al qaeda may have committed this as for the of the 9/11 anniversary retribution of the united states because they new ambassador stevens was in benghazi. americans should have faith that
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the libyan examiner is very much worth pursuing. >> ambassador ginsberg, thank you very much. >> thank you. up next, just 53 days to the election. of course, all this is getting politicized. we'll bring it down many the spin cycle next on this friday, september 14th. ♪ ♪ i can do anything ♪ i can do anything today ♪ i can go anywhere ♪ i can go anywhere today ♪ la la la la la la la [ male announcer ] dow solutions help millions of people by helping to make gluten free bread that doesn't taste gluten free. together, the elements of science and the human element can solve anything. solutionism. the new optimism. i'm also a survivor of ovarian a writand uterine cancers. and the human element can solve anything. i even wrote a play about that.
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a story is developing right now. mitt romney is speaking in ohio. >> you're not going to get big
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companies to expand in america unless they realize we're not headed to greece. what you're seeing in this country is the spending year in and year out now a trillion dollars more than we take in every year. when the president was sworn in office we had a $10 trillion debt. today we have $16 trillion. think of that all the presidents before him added up to $10 trillion. in one term we're up to $16 trillion. we can't afford him for a second term. >> peter alexander is with the romney campaign in ohio. peter, we saw right there just a short snippet it seemed like mitt romney is focussing on the economy. are you getting the sense on the ground with him and the campaign that he's looking to pivot from foreign policy to the economy this week? >> i think he's trying to put them both into one bubble. he's attacking the president again at the top of his remarks for being weak in terms of american leadership abroad. but also backs america's
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strength at home. the economy needs to be focused on. he began the remarks surrounded by a couple thousand people here in a rainy ohio event focussing on the live lost trying to cast a patriotic note at the top of his remarks here today. he had a more moderated tone yesterday when we were with him in virginia. we have heard from his advisors a lot more strong foreign policy attacks. this is a candidate whose book is titled "no apology." even after referring to russia as the number one geopolitical faux. and that the obama administration had thrown israel under the bus and regarding his remarks following the attacks in libya and egypt. he makes no apology for the words he's said so far. >> thanks, peter. vick is at the white house. the state department has since corrected the president's statement that egypt is not an ally. the white house national security spokesperson tried to dismiss the blunder as a legal term of art.
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our own richard engel told chuck todd he had to sit down when he heard the president say that. what's going on at the white house today? >> this is what happens when politics in an election season particularly a presidential election season interseconds with foreign policy. and all of the sensitive is and the current before. after all, this is the middle east. $1.5 billion in aid that this country still provides to egypt. this country in egypt has been very tight ever since on this north lawn behind me in 1979 anwar sa dat sat down with jimmy carter and signed the camp david peace accords. since then this country has provided egypt, it's been i believe in the top five ever since then in terms of recipient of u.s. aid. $1.5 billion going to te jipgs military. so there's that problem as well. and you're right, officials both in the state department here at the white house we heard jay carney again today.
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nothing to see here. you're reading too much into this, which is often what you hear when aids go behind the principals to clarify or clean up what they said. they're mfdsing the fact that egypt is a partner. they might not technically as a matter of law in ally in the sense that our nato treaty partners are allies, but they're a partner of the united states. the united states is helping them work through this nascent period in egypt. >> that's an interesting lingistic acrobatic performance. thanks. i think to bring you back to the table now. guys, whose mistake is worse is the question i have for you fine folks. romney jumping the gun as he did or the president essentially changing policy in a telemundo interview? >> my take is this. i hope you will allow that i have been very honest about romney's flub here and what i think he did wrong. so therefore i'm asking for some courtesy when i think the president's is worse.
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and richld engel pointed this out, what was our investment in the arab spring, in egypt, in asking them to hold democratic elections if we're going to go ahead and question whether or not we're allies. i'm not even talking about the politics of this or an election year. i'm just saying i don't understand how that can cross your mind when you're in an interview. one of the only two allies we had in the middle east. >> i look at it a built differently as you might expect. you called ate a blunder. it's been called a gaffe. strategically president morsi in egypt was very weak in terms of condemning the violence. he was continuing to call the muslim brotherhood protest. i think this may have been a strategic calculation on the
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part of the president to say president morsi, you need us and your relationship with us is in jeopardy. sure enough, after that comment and after a conversation between president obama and president morsi, there was a change, dramatic change in tone as steve was pointing out and now the violence has been condemned. stopped calling for protests. so from a strategic perspective, if it was a strategic decision, it worked. now in terms of politics, i would say that if the protests which have flared today after prayers, if they sort of die down over the weekend and continue to fizzle out, i think from a purely political perspective the president comes out on top. romney managed this week in his initial overreaction and then sort of walking it back and now his campaign advisors are on a completely different page saying that under president romney none of this would have happened, he's managed to look bellicose and weak and flip-floppy all in
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the same week. he also has had to talk about foreign policy and try to compete on that ground against the president and against a person who has a very strong rating on foreign policy. from just the political standpoint, i think the president has come out on top here given that things fizzle on over again, which we hope. >> what we're talking about is the president is playing foreign policy chess trying to get egypt to do what we need them to do while mitt romney is playing election checkers and working in his typical post truthism. that's not at all what they were doing. and also his advisors coming out saying this wouldn't have happened under romney. why not say if romney was president everybody would have a yacht and tupac and biggie would still be alive. part of this is why we have this long list of conservatives who are criticizing the list. show this long list.
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this day is growing day-by-day. we should at some point, steve schmidt, joe scarborough, john sununu, it goes on and on. the back and forth here can we give the jimmy carter stuff a rest. because if you listen to this line from romney's foreign policy guy today where he says -- he goes out of his way to say for the first time since jimmy carter we had an american ambassador assassinated this wouldn't have happened under president romney. if you want to start playing a game like that you've got to account for jim gnu carter's success and ronald reagan and what happened in beirut in 1983. i don't want to get into that game with you. it's a stupid statement for that. to the right it is always 1980 and jimmy carter is always the president. dan kwail in 1988. we're not going to elect another
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jimmy carter. 1992 dan kwail against bill clinton. if clinton wins it will be jimmy carter all over again. >> he's just that good. he's just that useful. >> i think he's running for jimmy carter's second term. they've been using this over and over and over again. at a certain point i wonder, yes, america has broadly accepted the idea that jimmy carter's presidency had failed. when you throw that against every democrat who runs for office -- >> how long are we going to run against george bush? 20 years. >> it's nice to hear hoover's name come up. >> meet a leading thinker on the middle east who pro dikted the arab spring years before it happened. what's he predicting now? what's he predicting now? we'll ask him straight ahead. we're sitting on a bunch of shale gas. there's natural gas under my town. it's a game changer. ♪ it means cleaner, cheaper american-made energy.
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as politicians argue over the ramifications in the middle east, protests have spread from egypt to yemen to lebanon to the sudan and tunisia with our embassies and those of our allies under siege. here's the question that many of us are asking, why? could all of this be about an amateur film? our next guest offers a different theory. this is what it looks like when reality is setting in. the arab spring may have been about hope and freedom, it was ultimately fuelled for the need for basics, jobs, money, fukushima daiichi. we have dean of johns hopkins university school of advanced studies. thanks so much for being with us. >> i think a lot of us are trying to wrap our heads around what is going on and how people in the ground in egypt and libya could think that this film was somehow the u.s. government's
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work. our own richard engel had a take that the dictators we supported may have fermented the anti-american sentiment. >> reporter: there is a mentality that has engulfed this region for the last 40 years. the region's dikt tayors are in part responsible for impoedsing this mentality that is a closed circu circuit. it is a way of looking at the world that sees it through a con spear toerl pair dime. that was convenient because they were hating the west and not hating their own leaders who presented themselves as the only thing that could prevent the people of this region from the onslaught from the outside. >> are these protests in some way a hangover from the pro-american strong men that we propped up in the region? >> to some extent yes. the mentality of the region is not going to change overnight
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just because the dictators are gone. that takes some time. one was hoping democracy would take roots quickly if you had the job prosperity, then the population would begin to have a change of mind set. that has not happened. the dictators are gone, poverty is still there. job security is gone. businesses are not employing. there's a sense of frustration setting in. so you're back to blaming the problems on the outside. there's a sense of hopelessness and frustration building in which is going to be dangerous going forward. >> there was a lot of i would say understandable outrage in this country this week over basically the muted response of president morsi to the violence and sort of the sense that he was encouraging the protests and his government was more focused on what they saw as the outrage of the video. i guess the counter to that is there are more extreme forces in egypt that the south that morsi
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has to contend with. if he's being responsive in a boy to domestic imperatives that limit him to how publicly outraged he can be, i wonder from an american perspective if the alternative to a guy like morsi is worse, are we as americans giving him enough latitude to tend his domestic political imperatives? >> it's a very good point. the other side of president morsi's eager military coup which is going back to where egypt was before or even more radical forces. but consider this. president morsi was not the leader of the revolution. he doesn't have the status of a nelson mandela. he's not somebody who can stand up there and take the nation in any direction he wants. he was elected afterwards in a close election. he has not been a rainmaker. he has not been able to bring a lot of money to egypt to address its problems. he's a politician. he's taking the mood of the
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street. he sees the frustration building up. it's much easier to ride with it. right now he's caution between a stone and a hard place. there's enormous pressure on the united states to show backbone and stand up to public opinion. on the other side he has very little to offer the egyptians right now. the greatest latitude we can give morsi is money. egypt needs money. egypt needs enormous amount of money to build its economy torque change its economy. instead of that we're threatening to cut off foreign aid. that's not going to give morsi any latitude with this public. >> there's lots of reasons america is hated in the region. i want to talk about is there an imaginable future where america is not the hated villain on the region or an unavoidable cost? >> there is some people who hate america. there is some people who get caught in the theater of the
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day, which these days is attacking american embassies. if you have a lot of unemployed youth with nothing better to do, it's very easy to suck them into a mob that's druggive and is targeting the u.s. ultimately this region will stop disliking america when it's integrated into the global economy. when it's doing trade with us, when it's sell things to us. when the livelihoods of the average person depends on trade and prosperity on the american and european consumers. that's not going to happen overnight. unfortunately, this is a step backwards what happened the past two days. but it was coming. if you looked at everything that happens since january 2001, there was a lot of hope. but nothing has happened to the daily lives of people. unemployment is up. poverty is up. there is no sign of hope going forward. and radical groups can take advantage of that sense of frustration. >> i think that's right. i think the tendency when you look across the map of the 20 plus countries where you've seen
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protests this week, the tendency would be to say this is islam uniting globally against the west. i would say this is radical islam uniting and exploiting vulnerable groups of people. and their weak moment against a ghost. and that ghost is either america the west, a film, a cartoon. would you say that's fair? that's accurate? >> right. if you go all the way back to the sal man rushdie affair which started this idea of taking an affront and turning it into political protest, there is a great deal of political entrepreneurship on the side of the radicals. they understand there's a moment where they can play a big role. they can mobilize people and build political institutions and movements around it. one of the biggest things that's happened in egypt and libya is
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that these groups have changed the balance of power against their own governments. that's why people like libyan prime minister or the egyptian president now feel so as a rule shl. as presidential interrupt nears they look for a particularly critical trigger event. the people are ripe for mobilization because they have other frustrations. we should not get sucked into this culture war here. we should see this for what it is. it is a very dangerous political dynamic on the ground fuelled by the fact that the arab spring has not quickly found a very clear direction. >> great insight. thanks so much. >> thank you. >> and straight ahead, the new iphone or qe 3? which is more likely to jump start the economy. that stimulating conversation is next.
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back now with this week's other by big news. the federal reserve taking its boldest step yet to get unemployment under control. quantitative easing qe 3, the fed is going to purchase mortgage bonds at the pace of $40 billion per month. and bernanke to lower zero interest rates. mitt romney is calling this election year politics and ineffective policy. >> what bernanke's doing is say whag the president is wrong. the president is saying the economy is making progress. bernanke is saying no it's not. i don't think what bernanke is doing is going to get the economy going. >> i guess, here we are in the middle of september the election is less than two months away.
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you wonder if there's two questions. one, will this work long-term, will it do anything before election day, maybe that's a separate question here. >> i think a lot of conservatives have criticized the move by bernanke himself saying the move itself is political. i would call your attention to a quote from the great and brilliant rick perry of texas. [ laughter ] >> back when he was thinking about maybe running for president. he said if this guy prints more fun between now and the election, i don't know what y'all would do in ohio, but he would be in trouble in texas. if it was political he could have done this sooner. it seems to me that republicans have been the one making the poli as rick perry did there and trying to bully him into not doing anything despite the fact that the economy needs it. i think what would really be political is seeing the need in
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the economy and deciding not to act because of the timing of election day. that to me -- >> one thing really quickly. he just said that the economy is getting better. >> who did? >> mitt romney just said that. >> some would argue rightly that qe 3 is in fact an admission that obama's policies are not working. and republicans have evidence to back it up. qe 2 has not worked. qe 1 has not worked. i'll point you to an interesting argument made in the guardian. essentially qe 2 and the fed posturing was responsible for the 2010 gains by republicans. viewed from the perspective of challengers seeking office. the fed essentially spent the entire election season telling americans that it stood ready to buy whatever treasury debt the obama administration deficits would generate. a simplistic conclusion that the fed was aiding the
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administration. now i don't know that voters are going to connect the dots quite that way this year. the implication is that this posturing and this long, loud talk for a year about how the economy still needed more stimulus and spending essentially sealed the deal for republicans in 2010. >> i love first of all that it's democrat incumbents and not democratic incumbents. i like that technique. >> i'm reading the quote. >> i'm always amused when i hear that one. it's a little dig they can't resist taking. he raises the point everyone says qe 2 was a failure. there is a difference here potentially at least that i'm intrigued by. that is that the fed is saying they are going to stick with it. this is an open ended thing. they're going to stick with this until the economy gets better and when the economy gets better they're going to keep sticking with it because they want to
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make sure it holds. we talk a lot about confidence. confidence among the business class and investor class this is the fed trying to gift confidence to people in business. >> the fed keeps doing the same thing over and over again it doesn't work. >> it's open ended. >> i'm saying that the iphone 5 will save us all. apple will raise the gdp all by itself. steve jobs will be like christ guiding us, leading us, saving us from beyond the grave. >> be a patriot, buy the iphone 5. >> i'm sticking with my blackberry. >> we want to put in a quick note. i for one had a very good time at the democratic national convention last week. and we all remember who else did, here's a refresher in case you don't. >> yes. >> and the great state of michigan. 211,000 good paying american jobs all across america. autos are back. manufacturing is rebounding.
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why? >> so i think we all remember that, but, let's take a trip back to 1978 america was signing away the panama canal. celebrating the camp david accords, bemoaning another yankees' world series win. some of us were also watching this. >> hails from british columbia. a beauty queen currently working in the public relations field enjoys the theater, the arts and the great outdoors. let's have a big hand for the cute and kur vashs jennifer granholm. >> cute and kur vashs. the classic game account the dating game." the future governor of michigan. >> how about that afro. >> i liked this move. i wish she did that at the dnc. >> i like it when you do that move. >> one of the first game shows to launch a political career. >> richard nixon on "the gong
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♪ >> love that song. throughout history men have been the dominant sex. we've been in charge leading the pack, driving the car, winning the bread. our next guest says that time is over. the majority of the jobs lost many the recession have been lost by men and recession are by men and women are moving from industrial to information based economy. at this moment, women are no longer gaining on men, they have pulled decisively ahead. the author of "the end of men." i like the thesis, i don't like the title. your point, the recession has challenged men's ability to be providers and being a provider is at the heart of manliness. how do we remain men when we're not able to be providers? >> i think you can remain men without being providers. that's where the title is slightly misleading. a lot are separating
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breadwinners, there's different ways to be a man. as you see families adjust to the new economic reality, they allow men to be manly without being the providers, what choice to they have, a lot of of women are the breadwinners these days. >> as you point out, women are graduating college in lamarer numbers, dropping out of high school in fewer numbers, all amazing and great. shouldn't we also be concerned about the fall of man and men falling behind us? >> this is not like a feminist sort of argument. i think a lot of what's happening is troublesome or at least it is confusing, say at least that. it is not as if we're going to get used to it, only been a few years. it is a great transition, counter to every way we lived through history. the book gets you used to it, tells you how to get to the other side basically. >> one area specifically where i don't see much in the way of demise of men and male power, major elected office. look at governorships, 10% women, congress, 17%.
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seems like there's a long way to go before women have anything approaching parody there? >> what about jennifer granholm, doesn't she count? her enthusiasm alone should makeup for it. but no, you're absolutely right. it hasn't been that long. it is not that we achieved utter female domination, just trends are moving that direction. i talk about how we are uncomfortable with female power and dominance and aggression. we are kind of getting over it. >> what about when women decide to have a family, seems it sets them back in their career, there's still a juggling act going on. are we close to being able to overcome that gap? >> part of the reason i wrote this book, i feel like we don't acknowledge what important role women play in the economy. not talking about the tippy top but across the economy. we don't have paid maternity leave, like other countries do,
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my name is chris stevens, i
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am the new u.s. ambassador to libya. >> john christopher stevens was the ambassador to libya, killed at the young age of 52. he was filled with hope and love for a region most americans feel pessimistic or scornful about. he was on a second tour. instead of going to the capital, he went to benghazi. he told the state department magazine my mandate was to go out and meet as many members of the rebel leadership as i could. he gained respect of the rebels, got information that convinced the administration to support them, know how to help them effectively. those that knew stevens say he was motivated by his love of the region and his feeling that having arab people watch america help them defeat a dictator could be transformative. >> i was thrilled to watch the libyan people stand up and demand their rights. >> the day after the american consulate in libya opened, he began to issue visas, for many,
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obtaining visas to visit in the united states is difficult or impossible. opening that door was a critical step. the more arabs that know america and experience it intimately and feel it is available to them academically and professionally, the more normalized relations become and the more valuable america is to them. that's what stevens was working toward when he died in the extremist attack on the embassy compound. we are not sure exactly how. we heard he was carried to the benghazi medical center where they worked 45 minutes to resuscitate him. when they said he was gone, there was out pouring of sadness and shame. chorin wrote the emergency room staff members who worked on mr. stevens broke down in tears, some knew him, some had not. all were aware he was a champion of libya and benghazi and his
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death may have rolled back benghazi's stew pen dust revolutionary accomplishments by months. he believed it could be one of the first success stories of the arab spring. seems many libyans are embarrassed at what happened to the diplomat from california with a law degree and did two stints in the peace corps. he knew the street and the elite, moved without fear through regions where most americans could not go. a man who was a drum major for peace. >> i see opportunities for close partnership between the united states and libya. i look forward to exploring those possibilities with you as we work together to build a free democratic prosperous libya. >> we will never forget a great man, many never heard of before this week, and never forget the optimism and courage he showed in his life. that does it for the cycle. martin, it is yours. it is friday, september

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